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 i need help getting started doing spells and stuff cuz im getting into wicca ya"no. and is it a 3 fold rule or a 4 fold rule??

[User Picture]From: moonwolf41
2008-02-06 06:02 pm (UTC)
After reading both your post here, the one in your personal journal and your profile, I'd suggest that you're really not ready to start working spells yet. For that matter, I'm not sure you're really ready to study Wicca. You're still worried about what may happen to you if you cease to be Christian, so you're really not looking to change religions, you're just rebelling. A typical 15 year old thing.

I'd suggest you do a LOT more reading about different religions (not just paganism, but other world religions, as well) before you decide it's time to become a witch.
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[User Picture]From: misfitking
2008-04-10 03:01 pm (UTC)
why shouln't i do spells iv read up and done my research and iv always hated christan stuff so im not rebelling theres really no point to rebel. Can you please answer my question im trying to be respectful about this.
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[User Picture]From: moonwolf41
2008-04-10 05:37 pm (UTC)
You're 15 years old. By reading your profile, I see that you have power issues ("u worms bow down to me"). You also claim to have two personalities; not a good thing in someone seeking to work magic where you have to have complete control over yourself and your energies.

You say you're worried about becoming a non-Christian, and are worried about retribution "if God exists," also not a good mindset for someone seeking to work magic.

Also, your preoccupation with spells and magic belies that you've actually done your research with regards to Wicca, which is a religion first, and a system of working magic only as a distant second. Most teaching covens forbid their uninitiated students from working magic for the first year of study.

Magic requires you to understand what you're doing and why you're doing it. It requires that you be able to control your energies, your emotions and your focus. Magic is secondary to Wicca. Most Wiccans look for the simple, non-magical explanation for a situation, and the simple non-magical solution to their problems first, and use magic as a secondary source of change.

As for your question, I'm assuming you're asking about the one about the Threefold Law. It's threefold. But remember that it's also about result as well as intent. Doing wrong for the right reason in magic gets you the same consequence. Meaning that if you do something that you think will be good, and it turns out to be bad, you still get the bad consequences, even if your intent was to do good.

Oh, and the Threefold Law is secondary to the Wiccan Rede, which states And it harm none, do as you will. Note the bold print. It means you have to consider everything you do and who it will harm (including yourself).

So I'm going to repeat my original suggestion that you do some more reading about ALL the world's religions before deciding that Wicca and Paganism are where you want to be.
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[User Picture]From: misfitking
2008-04-11 02:47 pm (UTC)
the "u worms bow down thing is a joke nothing serous" and i havent updated it in a wile. and i no all about the rede iv read it over and over again. i set my profile before i really understood what i was doing but that has changed same with my views of wicca. I hate how people think that im just rebelling because im 15.
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[User Picture]From: moonwolf41
2008-04-11 04:58 pm (UTC)
OK, so you answered what you wanted to see in my last response. You still haven't convinced me you're ready to work magic.

Who have you been reading, which authors? That will tell me where you're coming from.

Oh, and one thing I neglected to mention in my last message was the cardinal rule of magic: NEVER participate in (or perform) ANY magical working that you do not COMPLETELY understand. That's a big part of why most teaching covens forbid their students from working magic in the first year of study.

Magic can backfire on you spectacularly. It doesn't always have the result that you think it will, and there is ALWAYS a price to be paid for magical working. I forgot about that a couple of years ago because I so rarely do any major magical workings. But I decided to do one for a friend who needed one. Two days after I completed the spell, I was sick as a dog. What we call Psychic backlash. It happens when you work with the powerful energies that are necessary to do workings. It's not pleasant.

I tend to avoid doing major workings anymore not because I'm afraid of the backlash, but because there are other ways to accomplish the things I need to accomplish without doing major magical workings and spells. Until you understand that, you won't really be ready to do magic.

So, even if I acknowledge that you are not simply rebelling, my advice to you is still the same: Do a lot more study of various religious paths and ideas before you settle on Wicca and Paganism. And forget about working magic until you've become more acquainted with what Wicca is and what it isn't.
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[User Picture]From: misfitking
2008-04-14 03:27 pm (UTC)
im not talking about major stuff just the basics im not going to to jump into something that i no nothing about. and i never really check the authors of the books i read i didnt think it mattered as long as im getting the info. also i have touched base with other religions, when i left god i search around but wicca really got my attention.
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[User Picture]From: moonwolf41
2008-04-14 06:18 pm (UTC)
You don't pay attention to details, since you don't know who wrote the books you've read. That's a MAJOR negative to your practicing ANY magic at all, even "the basics." Yes, it matters whose books you've read. Do you believe everything you read, no matter who wrote it? That's another major red flag for you doing any sort of magic at all. Not all authors do their research and/or teach you things that are correct or good to know. If you're just taking whatever you read as gospel truth regardless of who wrote it, you're playing Russian roulette to try and work magic. You've obviously got a long way to go before you're ready to practice Wicca, or any other form of magical religion.

I'd also like to know what other religions you looked at. In my first year as a student of Wicca, we did a major study of all the world religions. Not to mention that I'd done one on my own before I ever even looked at Wicca or any of the magical religions.

By the way, in case you didn't notice it in those books that you read, Wicca still believes in God, and Goddess. If you left God behind, then you're not looking at Wicca, you're looking at Atheism, which is a totally different religion.

I'll be out of town starting tomorrow, so I won't have Internet access for the next week. I'm senior staff for a major Pagan Festival, so I'll be out at the Festival for the next week running the Medical Tent for them. So if you reply and don't hear from me for a few days, that's why. Actually, along those same lines, why don't we move this to email? You can contact me through my LJ account (moonwolf41 at livejournal dot com).

I'm willing to continue this discussion, so let's see where it goes.
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[User Picture]From: misfitking
2008-04-15 03:03 pm (UTC)
I dont believe in the one true god thing i believe in the god and goddess. Also i no that not all books are accurate thats why i read a lot of books(i'll start paying attention to the authors,thanks). I looked at buddhism and muslim stuff but i admit i should of looked more at it.
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